religion VS. homosexuality having some major issues with my mom-all of a sudden telling me she cant handle me being gay (been with same woman for 6 yrs)and doesnt want to see me unless by myself-this all is circling around her religious beliefs-she is imo being brainwashed and I dont mean that as a joke by her "pastor"-she is mentally unstable due to her relationship with abusive husband who has forbidden her to see me unless by myself-she has always said this was his view not her but has to go by his rules-last night told me she feels the same way now-my ? is this-does anyone have links to info I could read about religion vs. homosexuality so that i can have some arsenal in my pocket or maybe pass along to her so she can read-i dont want to be petty and am very level headed-but talking to them is like talking to a brick wall-i know the bible pretty well -grew up with this-any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated-should also mention that I have refused to leave my family to go see her under these terms-we have 2 ren and they only want to accept my bio not my step -thanks in advance.

Others will have better links on religion and homosexuality, but I wanted to say I'm sorry you're going through this. I think it's a good idea to keep yourself and your away from this toxic environment. Especially if your Mom wants to harangue you, exclude your partner and try to negate of your ren. Religion can be twisted to make people do some truly horrible things. reason why I personally mistrust it.

Give your mom this book Prayers for Bobby. It's a true story, and it will really help give her some perspective.

there should be a book where the hero ditches his asshole fundamentalist parents and lives happily every after. the end.

what would his cape look like?

duh, rainbow :-)

oh, that's beautiful! It also makes me want to scrub myself with brillo pads.

speaking of leviticus it's not just teh ghey! brillo pads can't take away abomination.

they should have a female (heh) sprawled out too. Unclean eatin'

good thing I have rain to cleanse me...*ha!

I totally agree Bobby actually leaves town a few times and broke off contact, but hearing how evil and demented he was growing up really took it's toll. His mother found his journals and that is why the book was made. Oh I cried and cried. Especially because at the time I read it I was having issues with my mother. I couldn't bring myself to tell her about my sexuality. I would test the waters by bringing up gay marriage and she would compare it too molestation or marrying goats. She told me she couldn't believe how I could be in favor of it and she thought she had raised me better. We don't speak of my sexuality, I let her live in her denial, but I don't hide who I am, and I know she is ok with me...she told me this year that "civil unions" if not marriage should be legal. Step in the right direction, huh?

this will be my story unless i can help them see the light-but i will not let them ruin the wonderful life i have.

excellent i commend you for standing your ground. i hope your mom decides to accept your family, but i know you'll all continue to thrive even if she doesn't.

maybe this will help this is copied from somewhere, can't remember where, not really about homosexuality specifiy but has some good talking points IMO: x. Leviticus x:x states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? x. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus x:x. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? x. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.x:x. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? x. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus x:x. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? x. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. x:x, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Aren't there 'degrees' of abomination? x. Lev.x:x states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be x/x, or is there some wiggle-room here? x. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. x:x. How should they die? x. I know from Lev. x:x-x that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? x. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.x:x by planting different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?(Lev.x:x-x). Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws?(Lev.x:x)

in retrospect that stuff (from my previous post) is kinda sarcastic/confrontational and might not be best for persuading your mom to re-think her views. but still if she makes a point about homosexuality as it pertains to the bible, well,orof these can be brought up as a counter point.

also, most of it is from the Old Testament which most people know is not intended to be interpreted literally in modern times so it would make a very weak and ignorant argument

good point but since Leviticus is Old Testament..then any point her mother might make about it (ie. man lying with man = abomination) could be argued that it is not to be taken literally in modern times. so your point is also helpful in that regard.

yes. very good.

and was funny as hell i needed the laugh-and yes it helps-they tend to bring up the most retarded points mostly what they have heard and are trying to spew them out like they know what they are talking about-so this stuff is just what i needed. i want to be able to counter their stupidity with facts from the bible so its not as though im just trying to argue-thanks everykeep em coming

They should rename Leviticus the Chapter of Insanity. Hey, here's a fun game! Figure out the many different ways you'd be condemned to die if Leviticus = Law today.

If you're really interested in offering her some biblical perspective, here's something to share with her. Good luck.

biblical perspective? there is no biblical perspective but in the fictional sense....why give it any credence, it offers nothing, and is a danger to humanity.

Try a book ed Sex Texts from the Bible by Dr. Teresa Hornsby, a bible scholar (and lesbian). Very enlightening about what the bible really has to say about sex. She looks at the Hebrew text, not the way it has been interpreted to make it say what pastor JoeFredBob wants it to say. Good luck.

With all this information to explain to your mother, after the discussion I would simply tell her that "a hateful heart has no room for Jesus". Let me know if her jaw drops! (And good luck to yousxpac).

it is not a matter of opinion any and all who claim to have some sort of religious connection are delusional. how and why the world is unwilling and unable to get over this charade and ignorant system is amazing...until you think of the strength of brainwashing and propaganda, then it becomes all too clear. sorry to read your mom is spaced out -- as is my dad -- but there you go. ignorance and lies are bliss...just as Ddbya.

I'm a little late on all this but I wanted to tell you good luck. I am both a christian and a lesbian, and see absolutely nothing wrong with how I live my life. I'm hoping that that you and your mom can work things out, but if you can't I want to give you the best advice I ever got. In going through a very similar experience with my mom, a good friend of mine asked me the question that changed my life. "If this person were not related to you, say maybe she were a co-worker or something like that, would you really care what they thought?" I know how heartless it sounds, but it prompted me to really, really think, and I came to the conclusion that I wouldn't. I really feel for you, good luck.

What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality by Daniel A Helminiak I've been reading this and it has some amazing points. Powell's probably has it for $x.x An article for you to read:

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